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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 10, 2006 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

>>>pulling the entire collection, getting a plug in the NY Times, then restoring the aud's for downloading and sbd's for streaming was nothing more than a cheap marketing ploy that backfired>>>

It is too bad that the band wouldn't leverage the talent pool of Deadheads to transition to GDP. The Bay Area alone is filled with all sorts of new media heads that would've love to be a part of it. But it's their work, and I hope they can do interesting things with surround sound.

Until then, we can get most anything if we really want. It's not that hard. The streams are almost always better than my old tapes. There's plenty of GDP stuff, free easy fast audience, and you can still trade all you want.

Collecting is fun, but there's nothing you can hold very long, anyway.

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

please lets put this subject to rest!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Right on.

But not the beard thing, right?

I mean something has to be done!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

"quite mad indeed!" said the mad hatter....and only 58 replies in 3 daze.
Could this be the 2nd longest GD thread ever????

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

this thread has definitely achieved critical mass and then some

noticed the dude that started the thread ("...summed it up rather well in one sentence.") split long before it went nova

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2006-08-11 07:41:13

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 10, 2006 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Yes, the beard is top priority, right behind fearless leader, the Middle East, solar power, consevation, and about a billion other things.

Maybe his strength comes natural as any old man.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

What about Moose and Squirrel?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

they only get off the hook if they are offering free Bullwinkle downloads, otherwise those two will have to face a boycot just like everybody else

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 11, 2006 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Those SBDs ain't coming back now that they signed a 10 year contract with RHINO. GD Live is history now. You can still download that music using a couple of Bittorrent sites. A lot of Jerry Garcia stuff started showing up at Etree on the first of august...

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

yup, I get alot of shows off the various torrent sites.
Posting here is mostly for laughs and giggles. (Also i don't have much of a life-lol)
I bet if Bobby read this thread, he'd be laughing and shaking his bearded head. Your posts are quite sane, Cuz-
and people here are pretty cool and don't flame out too much. Example- i post at an MMA site and there's LOTS of flaming, bashing and banning going on. This is an Island of serenity-lol. See ya!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

The only shirt that bothered me was the Madonna one, or was that my imagination?

Actually what is troubling is the Bobby connection to The Bohemian Club and the deceptive Ann Coulter, which I just read about at deadnews.blogspot.com. Maybe they are trying kind words to get at remnants of conscience, or maybe those conspiracy theories about the Tavistock Institute aren't so far off.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ann Coulter and Bobby??? Now that is a match made in heaven even from a dialogue perspective.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

"Actually what is troubling is the Bobby connection to The Bohemian Club and the deceptive Ann Coulter"

I read Ann's column's, then i decide what is deceptive and what's not. Same with the deceptive Murtha and Moorer. Bobby?? Oooooooo, not the dreaded Bohemian club! God help us!!

check this out >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpNHWQGjow
though i bet she smoked grass at least-that could be deceptive-lol

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ann Coulter a deadhead - who woulda ever thunk it. great link.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 10, 2006 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Ya make some music for thirty or forty years. Make people happy. Then you go---"Who's doin' what? Hey, I wrote that song.". F*!&^ you buddy, we're downloading all your soundboard stuff for free because the music should be free.
Oh yeah? Where do you work? What are you givin' away for free? Are you working in a law office? Giving all you time away to whoever wants it? I'm an actor. Should my acting be for free? I have another friend who's a courier. Should he deliver packages because the packages should be free? Is Bruce Springsteen giving it away? Bob Marley's estate? Herbie Hancock? Big Brother? John Cage?
Tom Waits? Peter Coyote was one of the Diggers. Feeding people in the Haight. Keeepin' it together. Now that he's an actor should he work for nothing. Hey, I can pay to see E.T. or I can download it. Neil Young has said after chasing bootleggers for 30 nears that now he doesn't mind people trading bootlegs now that he's old and stinking rich. Think Bobby's a rich as Neil? Think Neil would allow people to download soundboards of all his live appearances of the last thirty-five years?

Remember what age this musician is. Remember that internet concepts of f^&*ing copywright might be a little out of his ken. Maybe he's an old fashioned American with an idea of getting paid for his work. When they set up a taper section in the early 80's did they forsee this? Did they ever pretend that they weren't into making a living at this? I mean he's not Aereosmith. The guy is playing bars and small theatres.

I'm an actor and I'm constantly below the poverty line. Does that mean after thirty some odd years of good times Bob Weir owes me anything? You know why he said "See ya."? Because he knows he doesn't owe us a thing. He gave his f^&^%$in' nervous system for us. What more do you want? Like I said this is the most absurd stuff. Listen to live shows from the early days. Listen to how they relate to their audience. They were punks. They're still punks. They're grateful to us, have affection for us but look... Garcia licenced out his artwork for frickin' ties before he died. He was wrting books. Do you think he should have come to your house and given it to you for free or put it on the internet? Think he would have daid okay? Think again.

The music should be free. It is free!!! Stream away. How long before an enterprising deadhead beats this whole thing anyway? Or already has? How many shows do you need in your collection? What does Weir have to do. Apologize? "I'm sorry, I was in a really bad mood that day." Anybody know any musicians? They're not exactly diplomats. (When I was ten years old I thought Garcia was an a-hole! Check out what he says to Harry Popick at the Omni in '95 and that guy's a friend!!) A lot of these shows are available elsewhere. Get a life! He's not going to apologize.

And worse? He's probably not going to shave!!!!

Damn. And I said I wasn't going to be drawn into this.
If the boys ever re-unite and do another tour I'm selling "See Ya." t-shirts in the parking lot. Oh no. Sorry. I'll give them away for free. Because the t-shirts should be free.



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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

GDP, an organization of hundred people didn't have someone capable of issuing a press release in conjunction with their decision November 22, 2005, to remove the entire LMA GD collection?

You make a excellant case for the work of the artists, but what about the countless hours of work by the non GDP volunteers who made this collection possible, the same collection that has been and is now providing "free" promotion of the shows, did they not deserve an explanation?

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Didn't Jerry Garcia once describe the Grateful Dead as an organization that doesn't work "too good" in the straight world? I always think they're trying their best to make sense of chaos (we're all part of that chaos) for themselves because they embraced chaos for so many decades. I wish them all well in their golden years as I do all of you out there. As Snoopy said, "Make one mistake and you pay for it for the rest of your life." I think as Calamity Jane says on Deadwood that we get up and learn how to live all over again. That's why I'm jumpin' the thread, keepin' my lavender, embossed, bona fide Bobby Weir Alligator shirt, and goin' where the climate suits my...well...my lavender, embossed, bona fide Bobby Weir Alligator shirt...I...umm...guess...

Alligator! New thread!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

now that is one fine gesture of good faith

jam on bro

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

GDP, an organization of hundred people didn't have someone capable of issuing a press release in conjunction with their decision November 22, 2005, to remove the entire LMA GD collection?

Then-spokesman Dennis McNally spoke to the New York Times that week. That article probably had more impact than a typical press release.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-08-11 17:00:24

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

as best as i can tell (having some trouble negotiating the forum archives) that NY Times article did not appear until November 29/05, a full week after the LMA GD collection was removed without explanation

in the mean time Mr. Weir was personally offended by the impatience of some of the deadheads and fought back...the resultant unnecessary and avoidable war caused disasterous results not only between GD and their very small fan base but between the fans themselves and may also have significantly contributed to GDP's tragic downfall

although these discussions at times seem hopeless and somewhat indulgent, it does appear that each side is much closer to understanding each other than last November

Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to learn about ourselves and each other...this truly is a primo forum

LONG LIVE LMA!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

The whole thing was handled deplorably by both sides (myself included). Unfortunately the LMA got stuck in the middle of it when there was nothing they could do. I don't blame the LMA for shutting all Dead down for awhile until things straightened out, but many on the forum kept blasting the dead AND the LMA, the latter of which was unwarranted in my opinion. They couldn't risk all they had done over the past several years over one band. The Archive is so much bigger than just the dead.

Much of what i say about Bobby is just blowing smoke up my own ass. Atleast he had the balls to fire back, unlike the other surviving band members.

You are right, the LMA has been completely generous allowing us to vent, exchange ideas, and just ramble on. They even gave us babblers our own forum!! That is why i am sending out some quid to them after i get out of my surgery next week. They have been great!!! The work that Diana, Brad, Tyler, Tracy etc etc do is truly great - forget the dead... they keep all this other great music up here for us with great selection, ease of access, and great download speeds. And all for FREE unless we feel inclined to send them a bit of cash (tax deductible i might add). It sure aint free for the Archive. Any bit helps and we all owe them what we can afford for all this great service and music. (i'm starting to sound like a paid spokesman - lol - a new career for me... yay)

I think I'll just shut up now :)

p.s. - me bad - forgot to thank all the tapers and uploaders - they are kinda important too since without them, the music couldn't get here. Hope Charlie Miller/skb archives hasn't totally dropped out of the uploading picture - he rocks

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2006 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Bobby actually blew off some steam a couple days *later*. Quote summary:
http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/01/archive-quotes.html

(IIRC the McNally article was reported 11/29 PM online, and was in the actual paper copy 11/30 AM.)

"a great communication snafu"
;)

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Poster: nchead Date: Aug 12, 2006 1:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

Never really considered the liability potential of the cover tunes. Seems like weir showed quite a bit of restraint in his response to the petition. Most of us would'nt have been so nice in that situation.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 11, 2006 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are Deadheads mad at Bobby?

right you are Diana, we are getting closer to understanding
thanx mod :)

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